Season 8 Episode 118
Check out this episode to hear our sometimes controversial, sometimes edgy discussion of purpose driven education.
Show Notes:
Episode Summary:
Have you ever watched a TED talk that left you dying to talk to someone else about it?
Last week our guest was Ted X speaker Nick Marmolejo. His Ted talk, Are Schools Destroying Purpose, gave us plenty of fuel for further conversation. Today, we’re exploring purpose driven education.
If you haven’t yet listened to our interview, no worries, feel free to jump into today’s podcast and we’ll link to last week’s episode below.
In this episode:
The following is a recap of key points in the episode. It is not a word-for-word show transcript. For the best experience, we always recommend listening to the episode where we share addition stories and examples.
Recap/ Introduction:
Last week our guest on the podcast, was Nick Marmolejo, who talked about purpose driven education. We talked about some of the ideas in his TEDx Talk, Are Schools Destroying Purpose. There is a lot to unpack there, and we want to extend that conversation with our own thoughts and insights today.
The Definition of Purpose
Let’s start by talking about the definition of purpose as it connects to education. It is not necessarily what you might think of as purpose is finding your passion, for example, what you want to do with your life.
That is a pretty big expectation for students, and though they can certainly think about their passions, they aren’t necessarily going to find their passion in third grade.
Nick said the he thinks purpose is using the best of your talents to help or serve others and in ways that we find personally fulfilling .
We also discuss purpose in terms of understand why you are doing things-how learning connects to value in your life. So for example, why you need to be able to add money or write a paragraph with supporting ideas. Purpose is in understanding the value of something in a larger context. When you have purpose, you do things not just just for compliance, but because you understand why you should do something, you see the bigger picture.
Purpose is the reason, the justification, the “why.” It is having an understanding of the reason for doing something, the connection to a greater end game.
However we describe it, we are clear that purpose means that you see a bigger picture.
Examples of Purpose in School:
We share examples about teaching students to count money. When students understand the purpose, they are often excited to learn and become more engaged.
Examples of Purpose in Teachers:
Nick referred to “purpose driven teachers” which is such an important phrase. Purposeful teachers are confident. They see a bigger picture in what they are doing every day, they know they are not just giving students information. They connect the dots and bring that purpose into their work with students.
We connected this idea to Backwards Design, when you start with the end goal in mind, you see the steps that will get you to that end goal.
Teachers need to stay conected to their bigger purpose. Schools are busy and there are a lot of conflicting priorities. It is easy to get disconnected and lose sight of your bigger purpose. It is easy to start to question, Who am I? Why am I even here? Disconnection with purpose leads to overwhelm and burn-out.
It is not the teaacher’s fault, but school systems, with their many priorities and conflicting demands are not helping teachers stay connected to the work they believe in and know they can do. For example, they want teachers to be their best and use their best skills and then they also prescribe a curriculum and demand that it is used with fidelity, even going so far as teachers’ manuals that tell teachers exactly what to say. Those goals are at odds with each other.
The Power of Teachers as Role Models
Teachers want to build good relationships with students and help make a difference in students lives. That is deeply connected to their purpose. It is why they became educators.
We talked about two examples of teachers who are role models.
Mr. Feeney, from the television show Boy Meets World is a major character in the show. He is more than a teacher, often guiding the students to be their best. Nick said that Mr. Feeney was also a role model for him as a young boy.
Another example is the science teacher who taught Temple Grandin. Temple Grandin has Autism, and many teachers wrote her off, determining that she would never be able to succeed. Her high school science teacher saw things differenlty and encouraged her. Temple went on to be a success, designing systems for cattle treatment that are humane. She is also a professional speaker and author who encourages teachers to see the best of students, rather than their limitations.
What is the purpose of school?
Nick says that he’s asked hundreds of principals and school leaders, what is the purpose of school, and he gets all kinds of different answers. That is fascinating to us. It seems like in order to do a good job at educating people, we ought to understand what the purpose of that education is. How is it possible that we get this so wrong or that it is so confused?
Nick talked about Purpose leading to Priority then to Productivity (in that order). However, he said schools focus on Productivity. This was a light bulb moment. It is similar to CSA in math (concrete, semi-concrete, abstract). There is a progress which is needed to understand the purpose. If you skip the first steps, people walk through the motions without really understanding. If you learn 2+2 is 4 but don’t understand that abstract concept, it is like focusing on productivity without understanding the purpose.
In an ideal world, we would start with purpose. Knowing our purpose would lead to setting our priorities. Once we set priorities, it would lead to productivity- the day to day steps and activities we need to do. However, schools are very productivity driven, and purpose and prioties can get lost along the way.
When we start without purpose, activities can become meaningless. We give examples of phonics drills, middle school students attitudes and learning high school geometry. If we just work on the skills, without building an understanding of how or why to use the skills, students just see it as busy work and become unengaged.
Autonomy, Mastery and Purpose
We discuss how the idea of purpose aligns with one of our favorite books, Drive by Daniel Pink. According to Pink, motivation requires three things: autonomy, mastery and purpose.
We need some autonomy in how and what we are doing.
We need to believe that we can master something worth mastering or something that we care about. If we know we will never be able to succeed, motivation disappears.
The third requirment is purpose. Without purpose, we find apathy and disengagement.
Finding Purpose Driven Education
We end by discussing how we need to have conversations around the purpose of school. If you look at particular problems in your school, how might purpose be at the heart of it? What might be missing?
Conclusion:
Nick Marmolejo gave us a lot to think about in our discussion on the last podcast episode and also in his TEDx talk. His take on purpose driven education is a conversation that might make some people have to stop and think about how they would answer the question, “What is the purpose of school?” He surely made us think and grow. We hope he did the same for you. If you have not yet listened to our interview with him, you will definitely want to skip back one episode and listen.
Resources mentioned in this episode:
The Purpose of Education with Nick Marmolejo
TED x with Nick Marmolejo Are Schools Destroying Purpose?
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